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I wish I could bottle this up and carry

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it with me every place welcome back to

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calling all beings I'm your host DJ and

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man have I been anticipating this

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episode since I met this brother but

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before we get to him let's get to the

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co-conspirator of this joint the

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creative man the executive producer who

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don't create it everything you see

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except Leah put your hands together for

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money Nathan what's going on everybody

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how's it going welcome to the campsite

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uh I've got a tent in the back and I

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guess a visitor I don't know about that

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guy but yeah figure out about him in a

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minute all right and check it out man

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before we get get into a little more

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Nathan this uh you know what she's uh

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the new addition man she's like kind of

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like the uh the Bobby Brown here

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the new edition together for Leah Prime

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guys yeah

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[Applause]

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so nice to be here again hi Prime Time

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how are you ma'am

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I'm hanging in there you know pretty

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excited to talk some Bigfoot this is

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like my uh upper teeth before jumping

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onto my stream at nine o'clock

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um first first order of Bigfoot second

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order of uh UFO cases that's a good

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night don't get you warmed up for the

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invisible nice it's my kind of threesome

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well someone we don't really need the

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dating show that we're gonna do next on

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Valentine's Day anyway uh that night was

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standing Nathan yes um

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how do you it it's so difficult to

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Define cool how do you define cool in a

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person

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effortless man if they're trying it's

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not it's not cool cool is just being you

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right right they're cool that can be

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named is not the Eternal cool right it's

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just like taoism exactly exactly

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well you know this brother right here

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that we're gonna have on tonight this

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gentleman who uh as I try to work uh get

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an understanding of the Bigfoot World

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thanks to you Nathan

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um and I'm I'm walking into this world

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trudging through the mud and somebody

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reached out and pulled me up out of that

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that Florida swamp onto some reasonably

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uh firm ground

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uh and this guy is just so cool so funny

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the first time that uh he came on cab uh

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Nathan's like wow you know he just fit I

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don't remember the exact words that you

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use but he just fit and I'm just like

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wow man uh he's just such an impressive

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well-spoken individual he's in

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intellectual who has this deep

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understanding of of Bigfoot based on

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spending a lot of time out in the woods

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studying it and talking to a lot of

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people and really being open to that uh

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Nathan has I asked him to be bigfoot-ish

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tonight uh he you know here I am just

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wearing my bigfoot shirt and you know my

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Forest cold hat you know make sure and

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look at this man he's got the campsite

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set up and big butts

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in the background

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puts apparently a Slayer fan too it's

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awesome absolutely

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rocks prime time is so damn funny man

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she's another one that fits like a glove

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uh but this gentleman right here has got

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uh 20 years of field research he's a

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form of Bigfoot Outlaw baby he's from

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the state of Oklahoma

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Tulsa's own

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put your hands together for the host of

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Bigfoot Crossroads Mr Matt now

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thank you thank you not now baby welcome

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back that is the coolest my name has

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ever sounded

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can I get it amen Matt I'll tell you

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what man you are cooler than the other

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side of the pillow I don't know how the

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hell you do it brother I really don't

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are you you know neither do I

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at least yeah

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wife can tell us

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in Tulsa no she can't a man

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that would drastically change your

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itself was cool just you saying that so

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uh before I I get into I want to see oh

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okay Deb said you cannot hear me very

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well hi Debs thank you so much love oh

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so tonight uh Debs is not feeling well a

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little bit of an earache uh and let me

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tell you something uh Matt

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for debt you know for Deb to miss an

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episode it's of any I mean I don't think

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she's ever missed an episode that that

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she was you know ever too ill that's

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that's how she must really just be like

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not feeling good hi hey

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hi dub she's saying hello to Matt so uh

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so yeah she really wasn't feeling well

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uh we have jewels of the wood who is in

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the chat

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and oh if P I thought people could hear

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DJ in Australia without the internet

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Giggles okay I'll I'll check my audio to

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make sure Debs yeah we've got the right

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the right input so unless yeah my mic is

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looking good sounded good to me yeah I

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think I had it too far away from my

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grill when I was introducing Mr Knapp uh

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maybe everyone's years are happy about

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that Nathan brother take it away with Mr

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Matt Now Matt okay great to have you

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back on the show this is your first time

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being with us I feel like your family

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now you're part of the crew uh really

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enjoy listening to your podcast and your

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experiences

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I mean we can go in a lot of directions

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interests but what I would like to start

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when it comes to Bigfoot right there's a

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lot of different theories there's a lot

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of different ideas a lot of different

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experiences and you've heard a bunch of

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them too so what are the big ones for

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you what is the what is the theory that

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stands out the most for you as to what

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they are where they are you know what

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what are we dealing with here

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oh wow just come out swinging okay

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some Joe Frazier business right here so

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whenever this started for me personally

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uh it was an idea that this is some sort

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of undiscovered primate

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something that has evolved somewhere in

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between you know the great apes and

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and as you go farther along into it and

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get more involved things start getting

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kind of weird uh you start to realize

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very quickly that if that were the case

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this would already be wrapped up this

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would this would be done and as a matter

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less than I would say an hour ago I was

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actually thinking about that very

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subject and at this point uh which I

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reserved the right to change at any

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for me personally I can conclude that

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animals as we know it if they were

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like I said it would be a known thing

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they they would be hidden the way they

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are and whenever I say hidden not just

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how they remain elusive but uh entities

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at work uh you know government whoever's

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a human are they uh some sort of alien

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species are they some sort of

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interdimensional species are they

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man your guess is as good as mine at

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uh there are characteristics that are

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very uh

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based in biology as we understand it uh

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uh handprints today that were left on a

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vehicle during an outing

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everything I've seen dermal patterns and

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Footprints and hand prints personally

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uh they obviously leave tracks they've

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been observed eating drinking everything

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so you have all those things going on

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but then you have all those stories of

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you know well they can turn invisible or

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you know they can hop through portals or

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they can mind speak or you know all

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these other fascinating aspects of it

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that at one point in time uh I ignored I

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I kept the door completely shut on

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as a researcher you don't want to try to

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answer questions with more questions uh

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you have to work and stay grounded in

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what we know

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or at least what we think we know and

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understand otherwise you can't advance

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in the research

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but after hearing so many things for so

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now I'm of the mindset of keeping that

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door open at least to the possibilities

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and hearing what people and Witnesses

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have to say about it and sharing their

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experiences and that's kind of what I do

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on my uh podcast is just provide a

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platform

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for anyone to share their story

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regardless of if it's Flesh and Blood

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yeah that's a great answer well just

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real quickly before I'm not going to

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spend much time on this but I just

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wanted to point out the parallels

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between those who get into UFOs and kind

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of where that road takes them there's

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very strong parallels here it's uh

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starts out with it being nuts and bolts

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craft and there's curiosity to that

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there's there's a technology there

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they're extraterrestrial that's the

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conventional explanation and then the

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more that you dig into it the more that

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you learn and ex and talk to people

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who've had experiences with it the

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stranger and stranger becomes the

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broader your definition becomes and uh

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and and Matt as you point out too that

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that raises new challenges how do you

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kind of prevent yourself from uh chasing

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every single rabbit and getting lost and

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then not knowing which way is up and

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which way is down

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um I've watched a lot of people

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but now maybe it's because I've gotten

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older I don't know but now I'm starting

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to look at things as well why does it

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have to be one or the other

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why do we always try to put everything

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in a box into a certain category draw

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these divisions it's either this or this

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well no it doesn't have to be what if

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it's both what if it's things that we

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exist we're just basing things on what

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we've discovered so far in our time in

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existence

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uh there is plenty of time before that

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and there will be plenty of time after

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it you know there's too much out there

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for us to think that in the past couple

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hundred years regardless of how advanced

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we've become as a species that we just

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know everything that's going on and have

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a firm grasp of what it is to be reality

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and this is a common refrain these guys

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on the show have heard me say this many

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times when we'll hear theorists of which

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basically we're all theorists to one

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degree or another in the community

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they've heard me say

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um that it maybe it's not this or that

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it's this and that and if you keep that

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attitude then you're open to these new

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things and Nathan's got some close

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friends who have had some experiences uh

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who have probably expanded his mind on

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on things certainly mine has and I'm

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sure Leah's has uh but you know I'm

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gonna say one thing to the UFO homies in

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the chat before I get Deb's question in

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there and we pass it over to Leah prime

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time is that we're going to try to bring

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these communities together you know and

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there's a reason why if you are a UAP

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UFO person in the chat right now

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um you've had a modicum of disclosure

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that is Grand by any definition where

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you're at right now the Bigfoot

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Community needs your help because

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there's dudes like Matt and dudettes I'm

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talking knitting Circle grandmas in

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Pennsylvania and I don't know if you

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know who those ladies are I'm talking

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about Matt out there researching uh

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Bigfoot out in the woods at night in the

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cold doing this stuff and it's because

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it's real and they don't have any

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disclosure they're not even within them

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they can't even see the highway you're

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on right now in the UFO community so

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we're going to Endeavor to try to bring

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some attention to it I have a couple

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other things in the hopper to try to do

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that but uh the Bigfoot Community needs

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your help you know quite honestly I

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can't say it any simpler than that with

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that I want to go to Deb's uh first

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question Matt is uh in in your who would

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be your preferred candidate for bigfoot

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babysitting uh and I think

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Deb has an eye and a certain woman who

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has a UFO show from Baltimore

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herself

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Bigfoot babysitting

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can I say anybody I want to

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yes I mean we're going to hope that Debs

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could be part of it but maybe just we're

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talking Arlo Williams here

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[Laughter]

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you know I don't know I

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I don't want to roll anybody out that

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might be offended

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uh so I'm going to go with uh Hometown

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and I see that coming but I love it

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love exactly hey you know what's gonna

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blow his mind you know what scenario can

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you put him in where he's gonna freak

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out you can't you can't yeah no you

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obviously Utah get me two of those

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yeah let me pass it on to uh Leah Prime

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Time Deb I think we're still in the

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running though you're still in the top

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ten

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yeah uh so my contribution to the

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Bigfoot discourse tonight is my trusty

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Yeti mug

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um so you know one of the so and like

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you'll have to excuse me because this is

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a subject very candidly I I don't know

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very much about but DJ thanks to you has

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been a bit rekindled after our

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conversation in New York

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um and I want to ask you a question that

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I like to ask

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um experiencers in general whether UFO

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experiences or emergency experiencers

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which is when you think about these

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encounters that people report

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um and recollect how much um do you

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attribute to kind of happenstance like

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being in the right place at the right

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time versus um the opportunity to kind

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of invite or deliberately induce these

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kinds of encounters

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I think it uh strongly depends on the

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person

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uh you do have uh

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a lot of situations obviously that are

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just right place at the right time

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I think you have a very rare situations

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where a

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uh Bigfoot which I use the term Bigfoot

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let me just be clear I don't like the

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term Bigfoot

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but it's the easiest term to use because

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everybody knows what you're talking

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about uh you have these very rare

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situations where they make a mistake

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and accidentally get seen by someone

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uh I don't think that happens very often

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but it does happen I haven't been able

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to figure out the uh road crossing

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situation you you have a lot of uh

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encounters that happen on Old Logging

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roads you know uh where they get caught

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crossing the road at night I don't

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understand how that happens it doesn't

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make a lot of sense to me

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I also think you have situations where

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for whatever reason they allow

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themselves to be seen

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uh they kind of present themselves to

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the person

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um

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I I again it's more questions I I don't

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know why they would do that

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a person once told me very early on in

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this

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uh to see a Bigfoot you have to be the

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type of person that would save a

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drowning dog

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um and I think that's true I I don't I

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think it might have a lot to do with

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being able to read body language uh

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their survival depends on it so they you

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know if you're in the mode of being a

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hunter for instance you're probably not

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going to see one it's probably not going

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to present itself to you

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um but then I've also been in situations

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personally with uh other people

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where

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our whole research audience were based

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on bringing them into us to our location

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because we saw it as pointless you know

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and I know a lot of people will disagree

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with this and that's fine you have

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a lot of people who go hiking out in the

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middle of nowhere

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tracking these things down or trying to

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I believe you're in their territory

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that's a fruitless endeavor good luck

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with that but

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I do believe it's possible to use their

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curiosity against them you have a lot of

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reports of them uh being observed around

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campsites or attracted to the sound of

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children playing and things like that

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and so we would try to put ourselves in

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areas

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and

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cause enough uh commotion

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to draw them in and pay attention to our

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surroundings without giving away that we

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are paying attention to our surroundings

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so I don't know if that answered your

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question or not

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but again it's a hard thing to you know

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classify any certain technique or any

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um if if I can I'd like to get Tim's

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question in here because I thought that

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was really good and then and then I'll

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go with with mine uh and Nathan here we

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go so uh Tim Halloran says Matt what do

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you think is missing from the research

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last study of the subject of Bigfoot

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common sense

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[Laughter]

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logic uh

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uh the one thing that's not missing is

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ego

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there's plenty of that in the Bigfoot

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world uh in the research side of things

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you know there aren't any rules there

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there's no uh you don't have to fill out

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any paperwork you don't have to put in

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an application to become a Bigfoot

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researcher anybody can be a

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cryptozoologist there's not an actual

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degree it's just a term that was coined

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at one point in time

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uh so you get all kinds of people and

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everybody has their own opinion on how

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it should be carried out what kind of

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research should you do how you should go

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about doing it the kind of equipment you

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should use should you know should you be

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aggressive should be should you be

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passive

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uh

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and so because of that

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I mean you just have chaos you don't

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have any structure to it at all

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you have people competing uh against one

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another when we should all be working

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together because we all want the same

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thing

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uh you know I get that some people want

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them to be proven

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but the point is we all want to learn

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about these things as much as we can we

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want to understand what they are uh get

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them protected if possible

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and kind of bring some validation

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to the thousands and thousands of people

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that have reported seeing these things

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and yeah I mean there are uh there I

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I've tell people that um

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I've heard a lot of research techniques

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that

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um

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that don't don't resonate with me and

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I've also heard I I guess you could say

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there are a lot of wrong ways to do this

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and there's probably several right ways

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there's not one right way to do this

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from what I've heard because I've heard

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uh successful people who some of their

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their their techniques resonate with me

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as something I would want to do and some

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of them don't but they're successful so

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with that though Matt

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um I'd like you to educate our audience

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because there's probably a bunch of and

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we'll get we'll get you on the next

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round Deb's but I'd like if you could

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talk to our audience a little bit about

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Arla Williams the author mentioned and

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um

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what is significant about Arlo Williams

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what's your thoughts

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well I don't know her personally

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um she has always been

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to me

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she has been a person in the research

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community that has stayed in kind of a

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gray area

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um

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I know a lot of people

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uh that I respect that seeing her

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praises

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and again I'm speaking from a

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perspective of not knowing her

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um

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and this was even

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uh one 20 years ago

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the woo crowd as they're called uh the

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people who believe

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in mind speak and that sort of thing

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involving Bigfoot

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they were

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very very small

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uh a very small minority in the Bigfoot

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world

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over time that Minority has grown rather

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large and that train of thought has

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become more and more accepted

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by a lot of people

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and Arla has always been from that camp

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trying to share the information trying

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to teach the information that like hey

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these things

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are Flesh and Blood creatures but

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they're also doing this this is actually

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happening and from my understanding is

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she's proven it to people on more than

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one occasion

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um I think she might be one of the few

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individuals out there that uh

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has

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a very strong ongoing relationship with

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that that is an endorsement in itself

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right there the fact that what you that

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so just to expound on that Matt so you

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you believe that that she she is having

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ongoing contact from the back of her

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property as as Rick Taylor said on the

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show that she's having an ongoing

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contact and she can communicate with

557
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,080
them and all these sorts of things uh

558
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,539
mind speak with them

559
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:12,240
I think that something's going on

560
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,679
uh I can't validate you know or vouch

561
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,480
for anything that she can or can't do

562
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,240
herself

563
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,320
um

564
00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:25,679
but I think it would be a hugely

565
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,559
orchestrated hoax

566
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,240
that you know she's been able to draw in

567
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,880
all these other individuals and you know

568
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:34,679
Rick Taylor for instance you know it

569
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:37,620
would have to be in on it uh right all

570
00:24:44,289 --> 00:24:39,900
these people would have to be in on it

571
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:44,299
so either she's an amazing hoaxer

572
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:49,320
uh and an amazing con artist or she has

573
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:51,000
something going on

574
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:53,940
it's just up to the individual to decide

575
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,460
and determine what they want to think

576
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:58,799
that actually is if they

577
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:02,400
agree with what she says is going on or

578
00:25:05,149 --> 00:25:03,900
if they think maybe something else is

579
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:05,159
going on

580
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:08,760
but uh it's not unheard of for people to

581
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:11,700
be in that situation

582
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:14,220
and just to close the loop on that and I

583
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:15,720
don't mean to belabor this but I'm just

584
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,179
trying to get a sense this is a Native

585
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,640
American woman from Oklahoma so Matt

586
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:22,860
better be careful man Boomers sooner all

587
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,460
that business yeah but yeah but um

588
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,440
she so there are a number of credible

589
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:30,659
people in addition to Rick that have

590
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:32,100
been out to her property and had an

591
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:33,299
experience like that is that what you're

592
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,679
saying yeah okay for a long time okay

593
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:40,320
that I didn't I don't know all the I

594
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,299
haven't heard of the the amount of

595
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,520
people so uh I won't I won't keep going

596
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,760
on that but but uh yeah if you guys

597
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,740
haven't heard that you can listen to our

598
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,320
Rick Taylor episode but essentially he

599
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:54,299
uh she took Rick Taylor in the woods she

600
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,580
had them turn up onto the trail a family

601
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,760
of them and uh they spoke in Rick

602
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:01,740
Taylor's mind and being a law

603
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:04,260
enforcement officer he was uh let's just

604
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:05,880
say rather skeptical that that was going

605
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:08,100
to take place uh go ahead and take it

606
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:09,360
away Nathan

607
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,159
yeah I get a lot of different directions

608
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,799
I want to go but I want to come back to

609
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:15,600
something you said earlier

610
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:17,820
and that's about

611
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:20,340
I think you alluded to like a government

612
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,480
uh involvement or cover-up or uh you

613
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:26,640
know DJ shared a story with us and our

614
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,059
our group chat this week about uh a

615
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:32,159
creature that came out of a forest fire

616
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:33,900
that was seven and a half feet tall and

617
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,020
had been treated at a hospital and

618
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,820
the people that treated it were asked to

619
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:40,679
sign like non-disclosures and things

620
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,880
like that so these are interesting

621
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,159
stories these are interesting anecdotes

622
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,600
um I would was wondering if you could

623
00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:47,520
share any other kinds of anecdotes like

624
00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:49,799
that where there seems to be some sort

625
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:50,900
of

626
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,700
governmental or authoritative agency

627
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,679
that's engaging

628
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,320
in this topic in this area

629
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:00,120
I've never experienced anything

630
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,440
firsthand uh I I have to say that I've

631
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,480
looked for it to happen

632
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:09,600
uh the the strangest thing I ever had

633
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:12,960
happened personally was uh

634
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:17,700
some images on a hard drive I had for a

635
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,860
seemingly unexpected reason the hard

636
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,779
drive just crashed there was no warning

637
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:24,360
that and I'm not computer illiterate by

638
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,419
any means this is back in the days of

639
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:30,360
the old you know 7200 RPM hard drives

640
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,159
uh and it I mean it just crashed and uh

641
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:37,559
I I couldn't recover anything

642
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:41,460
uh and I had some photos on there that

643
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,480
you know I lost whenever that happened

644
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:48,059
those things do happen so I'm you know I

645
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,620
can't attribute that to anything

646
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:52,380
specifically now things that I have

647
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,880
heard

648
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:55,860
uh

649
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,860
that were involved firsthand of going on

650
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:04,500
a big outing of a fairly publicized

651
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:05,640
outing

652
00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:11,760
down in Texas that had a group of uh

653
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:15,240
unmarked Suburbans I think it was that

654
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,500
pulled up on them out in the woods armed

655
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,559
people I I don't remember if they I how

656
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,600
they identified themselves

657
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:25,919
uh

658
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:30,720
there was a I think it was a park ranger

659
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:33,900
or a game warden that was with them

660
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:37,500
uh but these group of armed men were

661
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,580
separate

662
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,799
they weren't part of the Ranger system

663
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:43,620
or anything like that they seemed very

664
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:47,580
militant in nature and they questioned

665
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:48,779
all of them

666
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:51,480
all the group that was there they uh

667
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,980
basically shut it down told them they

668
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:54,480
couldn't be there

669
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:57,720
down in Texas this happens a lot uh

670
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,600
these unmarked government-looking

671
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:03,360
Vehicles showing up in research areas at

672
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:04,919
the same time that the researchers get

673
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:05,700
there

674
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,279
questioning what are you doing here you

675
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:09,600
need to get out of here you're not

676
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,860
allowed to be here

677
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,320
and these are public areas the Sam

678
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,539
Houston National Forest uh just a matter

679
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:17,700
of factly

680
00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:21,659
um and I've heard those type stories

681
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,299
from numerous individuals you know

682
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:25,679
people that don't know one another

683
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,240
people that

684
00:29:30,289 --> 00:29:28,320
uh

685
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:30,299
the the story that I just told you for

686
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:31,740
instance came from a gentleman that's

687
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,520
like extremely skeptical and grounded I

688
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,120
mean would never in a million years

689
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:41,580
uh

690
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:43,799
expound farther than what actually

691
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,620
happened you know he he was just he's

692
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,360
the only one I think that I actually

693
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,399
stayed he he's the one that tore down

694
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,440
the entire Camp by himself

695
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,720
and he's experienced that a couple times

696
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:56,520
one of my best friends has experienced

697
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:58,020
it

698
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:58,980
um

699
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:01,799
Robert yeah as a matter of fact Robert

700
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:04,860
yeah Robert Dominguez a Bigfoot Club

701
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:08,630
I've heard

702
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,539
other stories of men in black types

703
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,240
showing up at people's houses I've heard

704
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,640
of people being threatened if you know

705
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:19,860
you don't quit looking for these things

706
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,340
or whatever I've heard about uh people's

707
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,200
homes getting broken into an Evidence

708
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:28,080
stolen uh track casts and things like

709
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:32,820
that uh entire computers and then

710
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:36,480
I think it was a like a week later they

711
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:39,899
came home from work and most of the cast

712
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,840
had been returned and the computer had

713
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:44,640
been returned but the hard hard drive

714
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:46,020
was wiped

715
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:48,440
that's fine again these are all just

716
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:51,179
stories you know I've never seen any

717
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,899
actual uh proof in form of like video or

718
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,200
recording or anything like that

719
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:00,299
yeah but the two fishermen from Ohio

720
00:31:05,289 --> 00:31:03,419
Matt those guys I believe it was Ohio

721
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:05,299
where one of them was a former Ranger

722
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,000
his cousin got out of the boat through

723
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,220
rocks at what he thought was a black

724
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:13,679
person it turned out to be Bigfoot and

725
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:15,899
then uh Bigfoot came out and engaged

726
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:18,899
after they were throwing rocks yeah and

727
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:20,340
they were going to go on a radio show

728
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,100
and somebody showed up and said no shut

729
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:26,220
it down we can't do this

730
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:27,080
um

731
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:30,779
you know again stories

732
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,779
um I'm not calling anybody a liar

733
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:36,360
it's just that that's what this whole

734
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,100
thing that whenever somebody starts

735
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:40,620
talking about government cover-up you

736
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,020
know I just point out that they don't

737
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:44,880
have to do a lot of work

738
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:48,179
it's not hard to cover it up because all

739
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:50,580
we have is stories yeah

740
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,539
so until you have you know something on

741
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,419
video showing those unmarked Vehicles

742
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,399
pulling up and armed guys getting out

743
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,200
and threatening you

744
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,659
all you're doing is telling a story and

745
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,120
anybody can write that off but what you

746
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:08,399
can't write off is that if a guy from

747
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,340
Tulsa Oklahoma can just get an itch to

748
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,720
go out and find out if these things are

749
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:15,360
real or not and get on the internet and

750
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:18,419
meet a group of people and go out into

751
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:19,980
the woods

752
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:22,980
and end up having a siding

753
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:25,980
and finding out firsthand yes these

754
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,440
things are out there then of course the

755
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,419
government knows they're there of course

756
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,340
the government is fully aware of them

757
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,980
and has already studied them and knows

758
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:37,260
exactly what they are you have so many

759
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:40,340
military people that have had sightings

760
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:44,279
uh Todd nice was in on a military

761
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:47,220
exercise whenever he had his sighting

762
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,240
and he's been on numerous TV shows

763
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,360
spoken at numerous conferences the guys

764
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,640
all over the place he just retired from

765
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:58,440
the military not too long ago as a

766
00:33:01,970 --> 00:32:59,940
sergeant

767
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:01,980
so yeah obviously the government knows

768
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,679
about him and his story was backed up by

769
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,320
that special operator who came on air

770
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:09,539
with somebody with this voice disguised

771
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,980
but the the verbiage he was using uh

772
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:15,960
having worked with those guys was was

773
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,840
genuine so I I'd like what he said I

774
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,120
found him to be credible

775
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:23,460
um anyway uh let me get Debs in there

776
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,320
real quickly before we get to Leah prime

777
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,120
time uh she wants to know how many

778
00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:30,360
scientists uh how many uh other I mean

779
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:32,519
we as as Vinnie points out Vinny Adams

780
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:34,980
we know Jeff Meldrum how many others are

781
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,620
are in there Matt how many scientists do

782
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,080
you wear quite a few I mean you know

783
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,240
obviously Dr Grover Krantz was pretty

784
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:43,440
famous One

785
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:46,500
uh John Bender Nagel

786
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:47,220
um

787
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:50,460
jeez uh those two were passed out yeah

788
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,059
uh Todd dissatel has been involved

789
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:56,640
um Melba uh catch him doctor catch him

790
00:34:02,409 --> 00:33:59,880
yeah she's a veterinarian

791
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:02,419
um she's been involved obviously she

792
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,120
conducted a DNA study uh controversial

793
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:08,339
results you know again

794
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,139
depending on what camp you're in whether

795
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,879
you want a Believer or not who do you

796
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:13,440
trust is telling the truth who's not

797
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,899
telling the truth is it's just all over

798
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:17,040
the place

799
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,200
um Kathy strain uh uh a lady by the name

800
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,679
of Amy view I consider her a scientist

801
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,879
there's

802
00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,940
more scientists involved than you

803
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,560
realize I I know there's been

804
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:33,240
primatologists that have been brought in

805
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,679
on different uh things just recently the

806
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,080
nesting project uh

807
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:41,940
that the uh

808
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:45,000
Olympic project is handling right now is

809
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:46,919
involving primatologists and field

810
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:48,899
biologists in their work

811
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,159
so you do have scientists involved the

812
00:34:58,210 --> 00:34:54,480
problem is

813
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,220
they can't do it on any official basis

814
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:00,720
you know they have to get their funding

815
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,420
from certain places they get paid by

816
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:05,640
certain individuals and they're not

817
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,220
going to pay them to go out and look for

818
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:10,680
Bigfoot or prove Bigfoot's existence

819
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,119
so

820
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,920
Matt I'm going to ask you to tell about

821
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,960
the the Olympic project for our audience

822
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:17,400
because I think a lot of people are not

823
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:19,619
familiar with it but before I do Debs

824
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,720
Raz just wants you to know that Bigfoot

825
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:23,700
diapers need changing while babysitting

826
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,619
so I want you to be aware of that and

827
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:27,599
Matt can probably speak to how big the

828
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:29,880
feces are we're talking Fosters logger

829
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:34,980
cans size yes you know there's one time

830
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,500
most intellectual show on the on the

831
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:39,119
internet

832
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,599
you gotta talk about scat okay

833
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:44,640
me and some buddies

834
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:47,940
went for like an hour on scat jokes one

835
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,810
no doubt we'll get to scat but tell

836
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,500
people about the Olympic project because

837
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,540
yeah I've heard on your show it sounds

838
00:36:02,750 --> 00:35:59,940
like it's it's very very significant it

839
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,760
is uh in my opinion uh the Olympic

840
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:04,619
project so you have a group of

841
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,020
researchers uh out in the Pacific

842
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,060
Northwest I believe they're based out of

843
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,640
the state of Washington and they were

844
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:13,859
fortunate enough to have a private

845
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:17,700
individual uh who I believe owns some

846
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:19,940
sort of logging operation

847
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:23,339
had a lease on some property and they

848
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,560
had gone to look at the lease uh to log

849
00:36:30,849 --> 00:36:27,180
it and everything

850
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:30,859
and they found these

851
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,579
giant groundness so to speak uh very

852
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,880
similar to what chimpanzees and gorillas

853
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:40,160
make

854
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,740
now whenever I say that I say that based

855
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,560
on that's what the primatologist told

856
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,200
them they looked like

857
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:52,140
um he happened to know Derek Randalls

858
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,579
who's the head of the Olympic project

859
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,619
because Derek Randalls owns a

860
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,020
landscaping company

861
00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:00,599
um so this guy contacted him through

862
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:03,000
that Network he knew him through his

863
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:05,160
landscaping company but knew he was also

864
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,540
into Bigfoot

865
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:08,579
and so they

866
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:10,920
basically had an agreement that the

867
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,619
Olympic project could research this area

868
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,140
for x amount of years

869
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:17,760
um but then it was going to get logged

870
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,820
and you know their time would be up

871
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,740
since then they've extended that time

872
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:24,480
they don't know when they're going to

873
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,820
lose access to the area though but they

874
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:28,500
have managed to keep it

875
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,380
completely sealed within the group uh

876
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,359
they did a documentary with small town

877
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,040
monsters who came in and filmed the area

878
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,200
and everything they've brought in like I

879
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:39,180
said primatologists and field biologists

880
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:43,320
uh they've just been meticulously going

881
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,460
over this

882
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,740
uh nesting area

883
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,440
which to my understanding

884
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:52,380
is one hell of a hike to get to very

885
00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:55,560
dangerous country bear country you know

886
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,820
like

887
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:59,280
and nobody has an answer for what these

888
00:38:02,089 --> 00:38:01,320
things are where they came from and I

889
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,099
mean

890
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,079
there's only so much information they

891
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,660
can release because it they are trying

892
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:09,480
to make sure all the t's are crossed and

893
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:11,460
the eyes are dotted

894
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,060
um

895
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,000
but I can tell you

896
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,160
these nests are intricately woven

897
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:20,160
it takes hands to do it they are not

898
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:22,940
baroness they you know nothing a bear

899
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,900
created and they were trying to do some

900
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,300
environmental DNA I think

901
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,820
and they actually

902
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,920
if I understand correctly and I'm

903
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:36,660
remembering right they actually

904
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:39,900
deconstructed one of the nests and these

905
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:42,780
things are huge and weigh hundreds of

906
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:43,859
pounds

907
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,060
and whenever they got the nest all

908
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:51,480
you know undone and taken apart they

909
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:55,320
found tracks underneath them in the soil

910
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,020
that were there before the nests were in

911
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:00,060
place while they were building them and

912
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:04,440
they've also seen new things being built

913
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,359
uh

914
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,460
things being

915
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,320
walked they found things walking through

916
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:12,599
Camp they've got hours and hours of

917
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:16,260
audio recorded different vocalizations I

918
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:19,920
mean it's just really amazing and if I

919
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,680
were a betting man I would put my money

920
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,260
on that uh

921
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:29,040
research being done right now as

922
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:30,660
The Cutting Edge of everything that's

923
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,480
going on in the Bigfoot world

924
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,760
can I get it amen and I didn't mean to

925
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:37,680
hold you up prime time but I wanted just

926
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:40,140
people to understand some of these you

927
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,940
know big things that are going on that

928
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,800
that'll give people an over under all

929
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,420
overall understanding of what's going on

930
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:48,119
in in in Bigfoot research so go ahead

931
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:50,339
ma'am oh yeah of course context is

932
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:52,200
always super valuable

933
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,359
um yeah so Matt 20 years is a very long

934
00:39:59,710 --> 00:39:57,000
time to be interested in anything I'm

935
00:40:02,569 --> 00:39:59,720
curious about I mean yes

936
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:02,579
I may be projecting my commitment phobia

937
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:03,480
here

938
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:06,300
um but um that said like what views or

939
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,040
theories do you have on this particular

940
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,280
subjects that have changed over time

941
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:13,560
oh geez uh

942
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,579
this being just an Undiscovered primate

943
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:20,880
um is probably at the top of that list

944
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:26,030
oh geez I don't know if I even want to

945
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:33,050
yeah

946
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,250
I find myself more and more on the fence

947
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,079
in regards to what's being referred to

948
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,599
as mind speak

949
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:47,750
I don't necessarily have a theory that

950
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:50,520
these things psychically communicate

951
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:52,619
with humans

952
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,420
but I am wondering if we're not

953
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,700
picking up on thoughts

954
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:01,520
ourselves

955
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:05,220
or I I think it might be a situation you

956
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,839
know so now we're getting off into the

957
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:09,180
world of psychic phenomenon

958
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:12,780
um which to me you know like I have my

959
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:13,619
uh

960
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:16,980
my pots and all kinds of fires so these

961
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,500
were all areas that interested me my

962
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:21,420
entire life

963
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,420
and in my opinion it would be more

964
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:26,940
likely that some sort of

965
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:30,660
uh mental reception was happening as

966
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,839
opposed to mental transmission from a

967
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:36,060
Bigfoot to a human

968
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:38,820
um I can't I don't really have another

969
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:41,160
explanation for it but uh

970
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,800
I've just heard from different people

971
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:47,280
that just are very emotional and very

972
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,359
adamant

973
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,300
I've never heard them say anything that

974
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,640
you know caught my attention as far as

975
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,680
oh they might be kind of a fringe

976
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,960
thinker or believer in certain phenomena

977
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:00,780
and then just they're telling me like

978
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:02,339
I heard

979
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:05,339
something in my head say get out or you

980
00:42:12,609 --> 00:42:09,420
know get away and things like that um

981
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,619
which also goes down the whole

982
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,060
see I have to be careful because I'll go

983
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,619
off on different tangents but you talk

984
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,160
about uh bigfoots often associated with

985
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:23,520
smells of a musk or a sulfur type smell

986
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,339
and then you have these mind-speak

987
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:28,680
situations occurring

988
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:31,079
and it starts to sound an awful lot like

989
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,180
a lot of things that are associated with

990
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:35,579
demonic activity

991
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:39,119
and hauntings and things like that

992
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:39,900
um

993
00:42:47,410 --> 00:42:43,700
so are there areas where these different

994
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,420
topics start to overlap with one another

995
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,520
one of the first things that I ever kind

996
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:52,560
of thought of

997
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:54,839
we were actually in an area called

998
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:56,900
screaming woman Woods

999
00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:00,060
because there were tells of hearing a

1000
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:02,300
ghostly scream coming from the woods

1001
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:05,819
that night I saw a mountain lion so I'm

1002
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:07,380
guessing that's what the screaming woman

1003
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,460
is

1004
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:10,440
but it kind of you know I kind of

1005
00:43:14,829 --> 00:43:13,079
thought I wonder how many times people

1006
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:14,839
have

1007
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,300
experienced a haunted area like in the

1008
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,680
woods or something

1009
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,020
and it's actually Bigfoot

1010
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,180
or how many times do people think that

1011
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,160
they're having a Bigfoot encounter when

1012
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:29,040
it's actually a haunting

1013
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,819
um

1014
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:32,099
especially around like old homesteads

1015
00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,619
and things like that I have an aunt

1016
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:36,839
actually who is living in Missouri at

1017
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,260
the time who never believed in Bigfoot

1018
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:43,200
she knew I was interested and then one

1019
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:45,240
day she calls me up and she was like you

1020
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,319
know

1021
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,240
have you ever heard of Bigfoot like

1022
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,119
slapping the side of someone's house

1023
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,640
yeah and I was like yeah I've heard it a

1024
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,619
lot and she starts telling me these

1025
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,940
things that she's experiencing around

1026
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,440
her house and she's like do you think

1027
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,000
that could be Bigfoot

1028
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:02,220
and I was like well I mean

1029
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,020
I think it's a strong possibility I've

1030
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:06,480
heard you know you're just saying like

1031
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:08,040
the common things that people report

1032
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,720
happening that you know whenever a

1033
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,700
Bigfoot comes up around their house

1034
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,619
and she was like well you know for the

1035
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:15,240
past 10 years I thought my house was

1036
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,319
haunted

1037
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,240
she she just thought it was like

1038
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:20,400
Poltergeist activity happening on her

1039
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,420
property

1040
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,300
so I think you have situations

1041
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,760
where these things do overlap with one

1042
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,819
another so you have to look at different

1043
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,220
theories and different aspects of

1044
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:34,200
everything whenever you're going into an

1045
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:35,819
area and trying to research or

1046
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,200
investigate an encounter or a claim

1047
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,540
mad I was having a discussion with one

1048
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:44,640
of my Florida friends about this

1049
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,660
mindspeak issue and you know I asked her

1050
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:50,579
her hypothesis she says I think they can

1051
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,579
all mind speak and what I did is I I

1052
00:44:58,329 --> 00:44:55,319
kind of Applied a little bit of what we

1053
00:45:02,170 --> 00:44:58,339
said earlier and then I also

1054
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,180
applied the human

1055
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:04,800
humanistic sort of theory to it like for

1056
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:08,099
example we know uh all of us here know

1057
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,119
people that can act as a medium that can

1058
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,839
speak with spirits not while every one

1059
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:18,119
of us may have the architecture to do

1060
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:19,740
that everyone that's on the show right

1061
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:22,980
now we have not cultivated or been able

1062
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:26,400
to actualize it and use it right but but

1063
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:28,859
perhaps we have the stuff to do it but

1064
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:31,800
we we can't do it yet or we haven't been

1065
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,780
able to manifest it right but we know

1066
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,460
people who do we know Priscilla we know

1067
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:36,960
others you know that can do this sort of

1068
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,300
thing Holly right

1069
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,640
um so what is what if Bigfoot what if

1070
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,099
some of them can mine speak just like

1071
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,160
some people can go in into a a haunted

1072
00:45:51,050 --> 00:45:49,260
house and speak with the spirit and find

1073
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,060
out what it's angry about find out what

1074
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,220
happened to it and why it's it's

1075
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:55,920
terrorizing people Etc so what if it's

1076
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,500
maybe some but not all Matt what do you

1077
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,440
think about that what if

1078
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:04,380
what if we're not dealing with just one

1079
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,940
thing

1080
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,980
right what if not all Bigfoot are just

1081
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:10,200
Bigfoot

1082
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:13,380
um there are things that happen in the

1083
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,460
woods

1084
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,280
that are the result of something not

1085
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,720
human

1086
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:21,839
and by that I mean I don't care

1087
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:24,839
what human you have if you make a human

1088
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:27,420
grow to be nine feet tall which has

1089
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,280
happened

1090
00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:31,200
they can't twist a tree

1091
00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:33,720
they can't do it they can't rip a tree

1092
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,780
out of the ground

1093
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,460
they don't have that animalistic

1094
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,619
strength

1095
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,200
there are screams and howls that have

1096
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:46,020
been recorded vocalizations you know in

1097
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,099
the mountains you know are far beyond

1098
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,380
the ability of any human

1099
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,240
but then you also have recordings of

1100
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:56,160
something Whispering outside windows

1101
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,920
something talking and what sounds to be

1102
00:47:03,290 --> 00:46:59,760
like

1103
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:03,300
some sort of language uh you know Scott

1104
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:06,420
or Nelson has kind of validated the

1105
00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:09,060
language thing for the Sierra sounds

1106
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:10,859
so

1107
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,119
it's my understanding if you're

1108
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,700
creating these vocalizations that can be

1109
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:20,460
heard for miles and miles and miles your

1110
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:23,640
vocal cord structure isn't capable of

1111
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:26,760
speech like humans can do

1112
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,339
but yet you have both going on

1113
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,720
you have

1114
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:33,000
rock formations being left limb

1115
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:34,920
formations being left and I'm not

1116
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:37,920
talking about trebos and X's I'm talking

1117
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:41,460
about asterisks and glyphs and very

1118
00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:44,579
intricate small detailed things

1119
00:47:50,589 --> 00:47:47,579
but then you also have

1120
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:50,599
like I said trees being pushed over

1121
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:54,240
you know Boulders being thrown at people

1122
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:56,540
uh

1123
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,339
you know I was involved in a case an

1124
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:00,720
investigation

1125
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,680
on uh kind of a Consulting basis but I

1126
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:06,720
did go to the property a few times and

1127
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,040
research

1128
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,079
and there were some

1129
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:12,839
extraordinary claims being made

1130
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,660
and uh

1131
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,319
some communication was happening

1132
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:21,180
reportedly with the Bigfoot on the

1133
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:22,020
property

1134
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:25,800
and it according to these people what

1135
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,300
they were claiming the Bigfoot were

1136
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:30,420
saying take that however you will

1137
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,140
it was exactly what you're saying

1138
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:36,000
there was one Bigfoot that did the

1139
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:37,380
communicating

1140
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,560
it was on a higher IQ level than the

1141
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,440
others and it had abilities that the

1142
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:45,200
other Bigfoot did not have

1143
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:48,839
and according to these communications

1144
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:52,380
some Bigfoot could some Bigfoot couldn't

1145
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,220
some Bigfoot were more of what you would

1146
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:58,740
consider

1147
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,099
a Mystic or an elder or a medicine man

1148
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,319
or whatever label you want to put on it

1149
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:06,599
and then others were more animalistic

1150
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,540
and uh couldn't speak the same one one

1151
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:11,280
sec Matt we want to say goodbye to Leah

1152
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:14,099
prime time please yes I got a dip I

1153
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,200
gotta go to the nerd herd at a nine

1154
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:18,000
o'clock Eastern Matt thank you so much

1155
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,859
this was a wonderful conversation really

1156
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,960
really appreciate your perspective oh

1157
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:23,280
yeah absolutely

1158
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:25,800
all right thank you gentlemen bye Amigo

1159
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,300
we'll talk to you soon okay thanks Leah

1160
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:29,880
take care bye

1161
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:32,220
okay Matt um yeah and when when you

1162
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,960
finish here we'll we'll get Leah's uh

1163
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,819
question in there and then turn it over

1164
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,920
to money Nathan

1165
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,660
um well actually yeah hers can go in

1166
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,359
rotation now because so we can't get

1167
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:44,579
Nathan now that she's gone yeah did you

1168
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,140
want to finish your thought

1169
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:48,480
I was just gonna say uh you know some of

1170
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:49,619
these things

1171
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:53,339
you know you have to go in with the

1172
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:56,579
mindset of I can either

1173
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,900
sit here and debunk everything

1174
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,480
which is possible you and I have had

1175
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,640
that conversation you know prove that

1176
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:07,560
your mother gave birth to you right now

1177
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:10,380
do it you can't you can't do it so

1178
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:13,859
anybody can debunk anything okay

1179
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,280
or you can keep an open mind and take

1180
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,800
the evidence that's presented to you and

1181
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:22,319
play the what if game okay well if this

1182
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:25,079
is true then what does that mean

1183
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:28,859
and see where it leads you and a lot of

1184
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,780
this communication that was being done

1185
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:32,220
uh

1186
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:33,900
was using

1187
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,400
an ancient uh druidic type language I'm

1188
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,560
not going to specifically name it

1189
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:42,240
on air I'll talk to you guys about it

1190
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,700
later

1191
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,079
because I don't I don't there's certain

1192
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,520
information I don't like giving out

1193
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,980
because then if somebody does want to do

1194
00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:52,559
nefarious things they have more things

1195
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:55,319
to use and put in the repertoire

1196
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:59,760
um thank you but drawings were happening

1197
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,079
uh

1198
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:03,720
they would leave out a notebook and a

1199
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,099
pencil

1200
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:06,720
and

1201
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:12,800
drawing pictures now think about

1202
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:16,440
an 8 to 10 foot tall creature

1203
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,460
you know this big huge

1204
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,000
Beast for a lack of better term

1205
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,400
do you think it could have the manual

1206
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,800
dexterity to hold a little pencil and

1207
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:31,440
write and draw with it

1208
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:32,819
that

1209
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:38,819
upright gorilla

1210
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,059
uh that's evolved with longer legs uh

1211
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:44,160
for walking around bipedally

1212
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:47,099
that's something different

1213
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,359
um

1214
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,819
but yet they're living together they're

1215
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,280
they're part of the same group

1216
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,720
so

1217
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,359
what's going on with it your guess is as

1218
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,559
good as mine

1219
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,720
you know Deb alludes to Little People is

1220
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:02,280
that what you're referring to

1221
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,230
I think

1222
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,640
that there might be more than one thing

1223
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,619
out there

1224
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:15,720
and I think maybe some of those things

1225
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:18,059
have learned to live together

1226
00:52:26,049 --> 00:52:24,829
wow

1227
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:26,059
yeah

1228
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:32,160
just as an anecdote from my own

1229
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,380
experience and and it's kind of

1230
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:37,079
you have to hopefully glean my question

1231
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:38,099
because I don't think I'm going to

1232
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,980
phrase it very well but you know anybody

1233
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:43,140
who's lived out in a you know kind of

1234
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:45,000
role or forested area if you're out

1235
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:45,960
driving

1236
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:49,020
at night you'll see a creature that you

1237
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,940
don't normally see

1238
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:52,680
in the daylight you know you'll see a

1239
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:56,099
raccoon or uh you know you'll see a fox

1240
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,780
maybe or

1241
00:53:02,690 --> 00:52:59,880
opossum is another common one that comes

1242
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,700
out at night and uh and these These are

1243
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:04,260
creatures that you don't see if you're

1244
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,579
kind of out on a hike in the middle of

1245
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:07,619
the day usually I did see a raccoon in

1246
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,900
Central Park once which was kind of cool

1247
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,480
um so my point there is that there are a

1248
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,460
lot of creatures that live in these

1249
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:17,400
areas that are very good at not being

1250
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:20,760
seen most of the time you know so and

1251
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:21,960
they're not and we don't even consider

1252
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,359
them to be highly intelligent or even

1253
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:27,359
close to having an intelligence that we

1254
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:28,740
have

1255
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:31,740
and so I think about that in relation to

1256
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,579
this subject now if you had a a human

1257
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,880
level intelligence or maybe better uh

1258
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:41,280
well adapted to these environments

1259
00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:44,220
it would be pretty hard to find them I

1260
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,300
think they would be very good at it it

1261
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:49,920
remaining hidden

1262
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,700
um

1263
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:52,920
you know so that to me is a compelling

1264
00:53:57,049 --> 00:53:55,020
argument in favor of of

1265
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:57,059
what what's happening there but I guess

1266
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,500
the where I really wanted to go with

1267
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,599
this is thinking just more broadly right

1268
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,230
we've we've done a very good job

1269
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:08,880
of

1270
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,280
and and and you know we're all in these

1271
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:16,079
like manufactured environments now like

1272
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,059
we don't live in the wild

1273
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,640
uh we're not familiar with the wild we

1274
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:22,980
don't understand how to read it uh

1275
00:54:30,049 --> 00:54:27,000
listen to it interact with it and in our

1276
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:30,059
Modern Life uh We've replaced all of

1277
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,500
that with

1278
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:33,839
you know things of our own creation and

1279
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,980
so I I I wonder how that affects us you

1280
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,380
know psychologically when we then enter

1281
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,020
into these Wild Spaces you know how how

1282
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:45,780
do we mentally engage with the

1283
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,540
Wilderness when we're just not good at

1284
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:50,400
that anymore and and what's your

1285
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,140
perspective on that and how it may

1286
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:54,240
interact with what people are

1287
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:56,520
experiencing out there

1288
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:01,380
I think it's a it comes hugely into play

1289
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:09,470
cussing to myself ranting and raving at

1290
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:10,619
my computer

1291
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,059
at just the disconnect Society has with

1292
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,819
everything going on in the world

1293
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,619
just

1294
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,079
the difference

1295
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:25,440
of the way things were just 10 years ago

1296
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:27,480
to how they are now in society for

1297
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,599
instance I was raised by my great

1298
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:32,220
grandparents my actual great

1299
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:35,460
grandparents and my great-grandfather uh

1300
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:38,099
was the oldest of eight brothers and

1301
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:40,740
sisters he came from an extremely poor

1302
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:43,260
family in Arkansas in the mountains

1303
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:44,460
uh

1304
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:49,319
and his father was an alcoholic and I

1305
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:51,000
don't even think his dad was around the

1306
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,119
family uh he he might have slept there

1307
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,160
on occasion but otherwise they didn't

1308
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,500
even see their father

1309
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,319
and my great-grandfather as a child

1310
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,780
growing up he had to provide for his

1311
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,460
brothers and sisters and his mom to

1312
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,200
survive

1313
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:09,599
and he would go out and hunt and fish

1314
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:13,319
and it wasn't a sport it wasn't you know

1315
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,960
he got a deer tag you know and I'm gonna

1316
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:18,300
go get you know a trophy Buck to hang on

1317
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:19,980
the wall it was

1318
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,040
my family has to eat

1319
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:26,880
so he taught me a tremendous amount at

1320
00:56:33,069 --> 00:56:30,240
an early age I grew up

1321
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:33,079
with this

1322
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,579
contrasting lifestyle you know we lived

1323
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,200
in a city

1324
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,880
um tall

1325
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:40,200
Tulsa

1326
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,579
as Matt broke up

1327
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,140
but

1328
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,240
I spent my weekends and all my free time

1329
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:48,180
out in the country at the lake roaming

1330
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,980
the woods learning tracking learning

1331
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:52,260
hunting learning fishing for my great

1332
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,059
grandfather from my uncle

1333
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:57,119
everybody around me was an Outdoorsman

1334
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,780
people don't have that not typically

1335
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,119
the majority of people live in the

1336
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:05,040
cities they don't live in the rural

1337
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:09,300
areas the way that life is conducted in

1338
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:11,579
the rural areas

1339
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:15,000
is so different from City life and they

1340
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,339
don't have that you know that connection

1341
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:19,500
uh

1342
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:21,720
to understand

1343
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,440
hardly anything I've always said if

1344
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,880
you're going to look into the Bigfoot

1345
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:28,079
phenomenon and you're going to go out

1346
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,339
there and look for this thing the first

1347
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,619
thing you have to do is learn about

1348
00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:34,079
everything that already lives there if

1349
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:37,859
you don't know what animals are there

1350
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,460
to eat you know the the calls they make

1351
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,680
how are you ever going to be able to

1352
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,480
tell what's not supposed to be there

1353
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,000
what's going to stand out to you

1354
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:51,240
and I've watched a grown man drop down

1355
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:54,300
on his hands and knees and it you know

1356
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:57,420
look Bigfoot fingerprints right here at

1357
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:59,099
the side of the road look at that isn't

1358
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,540
that amazing

1359
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:02,339
and I'm just standing there looking I'm

1360
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:04,140
like that's deer tracks

1361
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:06,119
like you you don't even know what deer

1362
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,040
tracks are but yet you're a Bigfoot

1363
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,040
researcher and you're you know

1364
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:13,380
so you know kind of a long-winded answer

1365
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:16,680
but uh I think it's

1366
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:20,280
plays a huge role in just the lack of

1367
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:22,980
knowledge and information and it's only

1368
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:25,500
getting more so as time advances because

1369
00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:27,660
all those people that taught us those

1370
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,300
things are disappearing

1371
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,400
they're dying off and people don't care

1372
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:34,079
the attention spans aren't long enough

1373
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,180
people want to sit here on the computer

1374
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:37,980
and look at YouTube for their Bigfoot

1375
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:39,299
they don't want to go out into the woods

1376
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,980
and look for it they want somebody else

1377
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:42,720
to deliver it on a platter

1378
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:45,900
right delivered to the YouTube feed

1379
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,020
exactly and uh I I think it's that way

1380
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:51,119
with the Paranormal I think it's that

1381
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,720
way with UFOs I I everything it's just

1382
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,829
yeah did that did that get it Nathan you

1383
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:02,220
kind of want to know how they interact

1384
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,740
uh how does that know how that informs

1385
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,599
their research right well I mean I think

1386
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:08,339
that's it's a huge part of it right and

1387
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:10,859
I think just more broadly too it's uh

1388
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,040
it's speaking to the ways in which human

1389
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,380
beings are different now yeah you know

1390
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:19,260
and um

1391
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:21,240
there's something that we've lost and

1392
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,920
Matt you really highlighted this I think

1393
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,780
very well you know that we've lost this

1394
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:26,700
connection you know this connection that

1395
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,140
we had at one point

1396
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:30,240
to the natural world

1397
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,660
and and and they're look there's some

1398
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,520
great things about that you know amazing

1399
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:37,799
advances that we've had from from modern

1400
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:38,940
living

1401
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,880
uh but there's a lot that we've lost in

1402
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,559
our ability to really

1403
00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:46,020
connect with all of it and when you take

1404
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,119
someone like me uh and you put me in the

1405
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:50,160
forest you know I don't have a lot of

1406
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:51,780
experience with understanding what I'm

1407
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:55,619
what I'm seeing and hearing uh and so a

1408
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,680
lot of sightings are you know sort of uh

1409
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,299
anecdotes that you'll hear probably come

1410
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,920
from people who just have never never

1411
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,599
been camping you know and then like you

1412
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,640
said before like they thought they heard

1413
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:07,319
a woman screaming and no it's a mountain

1414
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:10,020
lion uh I remember hearing coyotes for

1415
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,819
the first time and I thought it was I

1416
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,619
thought it was literally like you know

1417
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:16,079
demons from hell outside it sounds often

1418
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:17,460
right yeah

1419
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:18,780
um and so if you don't know what if

1420
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:20,220
you've never heard it before I mean you

1421
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,140
think like jeez like is the world ending

1422
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,420
outside I don't know how many times do

1423
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:26,940
you hear a sound outside regardless of

1424
01:00:31,089 --> 01:00:28,740
where you are like

1425
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,099
oh it's just this or oh it's just that

1426
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,079
you you know you take someone who

1427
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:36,780
doesn't know never gives a thought to

1428
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,540
Bigfoot existing uh you put them on a

1429
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,040
camping trip with their family or

1430
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:42,720
something some sort of outing that

1431
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:45,180
places them in the wilderness and they

1432
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:46,440
do hear

1433
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,299
something walking through camp at night

1434
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:50,160
uh it's probably just a bear oh it's

1435
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:51,660
probably just raccoons getting in the

1436
01:00:55,630 --> 01:00:54,660
trash you know the dog barks at nothing

1437
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:55,640
right

1438
01:01:01,069 --> 01:00:59,099
uh there's no telling how often that

1439
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,079
nothing is actually something you're

1440
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:03,540
You're Expecting if if you see something

1441
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:05,160
big and hairy standing on two legs in

1442
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,780
the woods it's a bear

1443
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:08,700
and if you've never seen a bear in the

1444
01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:09,780
wild

1445
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:13,079
I I you know that didn't really look

1446
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:15,000
like a bear but it has to be a bear

1447
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:15,960
right

1448
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:19,380
so that just goes unreported it just

1449
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,700
goes ignored

1450
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:23,520
and because of that mindset whenever

1451
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:26,220
somebody does come forward and say oh my

1452
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:28,500
God I saw a Bigfoot uh yeah it was

1453
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:29,640
probably a bear

1454
01:01:34,609 --> 01:01:32,280
you know it's probably just a homeless

1455
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,619
guy because the homeless population

1456
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:37,200
lives away from society and lives out in

1457
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,940
the wilderness apparently yes

1458
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:41,640
covered with hair

1459
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,359
um

1460
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,400
so we have some some questions in the

1461
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,559
chat here plus we got we have Deb so I'm

1462
01:01:51,950 --> 01:01:48,900
going to get the one from Blue uh love

1463
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,960
the blue-ish lane the blue-ish crayon

1464
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:54,000
sorry okay

1465
01:01:58,190 --> 01:01:55,140
um Celine

1466
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,200
uh right here Matt and this this gets to

1467
01:02:01,849 --> 01:02:00,000
my the discussion we were having on my

1468
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,859
way to Subaru yesterday about the

1469
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,660
handprint on the window that I'll get

1470
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:05,520
with you but let's get with her part of

1471
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:07,859
it Matt why does Bigfoot have hair but

1472
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,609
um I would say the answer to the first

1473
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:15,480
question is the second part of the

1474
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:17,660
question because they live in the forest

1475
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:21,260
uh we don't have we are ten-year-old

1476
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,540
we don't have hair

1477
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,220
growing that long on our bodies because

1478
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:28,799
we learned how to control fire and we

1479
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,619
built uh shelters you know that we can

1480
01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:33,119
insulate that protects us from the

1481
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:35,780
elements and Bigfoot doesn't have that

1482
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,140
so they've had to adapt with their hair

1483
01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:43,260
this is just my theory you know there

1484
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:45,540
they've had to retain their hair uh for

1485
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,339
insulation and from protection from the

1486
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,839
elements just like all the other

1487
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:51,359
creatures that live in the forest

1488
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:52,920
yeah and we'll I'm going to get into

1489
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:55,859
this but Lane the the bluish crayon if

1490
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,319
you're our friend uh that's supposed to

1491
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,720
come on with us that's the uh 10 year

1492
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,599
old and Landon right is your brother so

1493
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,760
uh we're gonna get you on here so we can

1494
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,799
uh we talk UFOs and Bigfoot and

1495
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:10,079
paranormal with you so uh your dad is

1496
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:12,559
going to reach out to us uh but anyway

1497
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:17,220
uh Matt so we we did we discussed this

1498
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,079
um so you were talking about the

1499
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:21,960
handprint and the and the oil so my

1500
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:25,559
hypothesis is that the oil uh that may

1501
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,260
be on their hand and on their skin would

1502
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,000
protect them from the rain because if

1503
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:32,400
you're obviously a humanoid creature

1504
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,760
that has uh that has hair uh that's out

1505
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:37,200
there and you don't have the fur that

1506
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:39,480
sort of sheds the water the way that a

1507
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:41,960
bear does or and certain breeds of dog

1508
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:44,700
could you see where that's possible that

1509
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:47,160
actually maybe they do secrete an oil

1510
01:03:51,049 --> 01:03:48,540
from their skin what do you think about

1511
01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:51,059
that I do think that's a possibility

1512
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,339
there's obviously examples of other

1513
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:56,640
animals out there in the wild uh otters

1514
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:00,660
come to mind uh even you know a lot of

1515
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,720
avians a lot of birds uh have

1516
01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:07,020
specialized oils that repel water

1517
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:09,859
um so that is absolutely a possibility

1518
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:13,920
if they do in fact secrete these oils or

1519
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,400
have these this oily skin that is

1520
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,619
currently being theorized

1521
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:21,359
well there you go see we're not even

1522
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:22,740
going to have our first debate because

1523
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:26,880
we agree on that so all right so so Debs

1524
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,400
um is there any indication uh she'd like

1525
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:32,220
to know that Bigfoot has technology or

1526
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:33,420
tools

1527
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,339
I believe uh they do prefer Android over

1528
01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:41,520
iPhone uh Believe It or Not which is a

1529
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,260
huge disconnect from you know modern

1530
01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:45,359
society

1531
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:47,180
um

1532
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,420
as far as tools are concerned uh

1533
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:53,760
I think so

1534
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,240
but I mean what you define as a tool so

1535
01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:59,280
one of the things that is commonly

1536
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:01,980
associated with Bigfoot activity is wood

1537
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:04,680
knocks these you know the idea that they

1538
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,140
smack tree trunks with tree limbs so

1539
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:09,660
that would be a form of tool usage I

1540
01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:12,180
have heard of

1541
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:14,339
certain situations where people have

1542
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,380
found uh

1543
01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:19,020
Stone tool implements and things like

1544
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:20,099
that

1545
01:05:24,849 --> 01:05:20,940
um

1546
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:24,859
were these actual tools used by Bigfoot

1547
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:28,920
were they tools at all who knows

1548
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,579
um

1549
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:32,400
actually DJ and I were just recently

1550
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:36,480
talking about the area X situation uh

1551
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:38,819
the North American Wood ape Conservancy

1552
01:05:44,329 --> 01:05:42,059
at one point in time found uh where

1553
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:44,339
something was using a rock to break open

1554
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:47,099
uh acorns and walnuts or something like

1555
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:50,099
that out in the middle of nowhere

1556
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:53,040
uh so while it was out there using a

1557
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:55,140
rock to bust open nuts I don't think uh

1558
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:57,000
squirrels do that

1559
01:06:01,609 --> 01:05:57,960
um

1560
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,619
so in that situation it's a it's a high

1561
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:03,599
possibility that yeah Bigfoot would use

1562
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:05,040
tools

1563
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,220
um the only problem I have is uh fire

1564
01:06:11,870 --> 01:06:09,599
usage

1565
01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:11,880
obviously they would have to figure out

1566
01:06:16,490 --> 01:06:13,799
how to create it or steal it from a

1567
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:16,500
campfire but going back to that earlier

1568
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:18,420
question about Bigfoot having that long

1569
01:06:22,849 --> 01:06:21,000
hair I think it'd be pretty dangerous

1570
01:06:24,529 --> 01:06:22,859
for a Bigfoot to try to mess around with

1571
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:24,539
fire

1572
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,240
that that's a good point yeah uh that it

1573
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:30,000
would be that uh getting burnt in any

1574
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,559
sort of a fire that we would cook with

1575
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,400
is that uh and by the way so Tim

1576
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,900
hallerina uh that was in there you had

1577
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:38,460
some great questions if I don't know if

1578
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:39,720
you're still in the chat or if you've

1579
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:41,940
left I'll connect with you offline about

1580
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,819
one of your questions uh so if you if

1581
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:46,559
you can catch me on Twitter you see my

1582
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:48,539
handle there but I'd like to connect

1583
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,190
um so does that uh lead to why they're

1584
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:57,839
not eating the parts of the the animal

1585
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:00,660
like uh the thighs and they seem to eat

1586
01:07:08,809 --> 01:07:05,529
um

1587
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,819
wow I didn't expect that

1588
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:11,160
um hey come on man okay so there is this

1589
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,260
situation yeah so there is this

1590
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:15,119
situation where some colleagues of mine

1591
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,339
found um an armadillo

1592
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:20,160
uh the armadillo was uh

1593
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:22,680
freshly deceased I don't know how to put

1594
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:24,420
it uh

1595
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:29,579
cut open in a very uh sort of jagged cut

1596
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,579
it wasn't a a sharp knife cut or

1597
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:34,559
anything like that but it wasn't ripped

1598
01:07:39,289 --> 01:07:36,660
along its stomach

1599
01:07:41,809 --> 01:07:39,299
uh it appeared that the internal organs

1600
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,819
such as the liver and heart were missing

1601
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:43,200
and

1602
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:44,940
the carcass

1603
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,200
had been pulled apart in such a way that

1604
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,839
the blood was all pulled inside of the

1605
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:54,299
cavity and wasn't spilling out on the

1606
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:55,500
ground

1607
01:08:01,970 --> 01:07:57,720
and inside

1608
01:08:04,569 --> 01:08:01,980
the body they found one of the claws of

1609
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:04,579
the armadillo

1610
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:07,980
uh which led them to believe that the

1611
01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:10,140
claw had actually been removed and used

1612
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,099
to cut open the armadillo wow

1613
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:15,440
um

1614
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:19,500
organs livers and hearts I don't

1615
01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:21,560
remember which uh

1616
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:24,299
vitamin or nutrient or whatever it is

1617
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:28,140
but it actually AIDS in nocturnal vision

1618
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:31,020
so it was kind of a thought of mind that

1619
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:33,380
that's probably why they target those

1620
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,120
those are your highest sources of

1621
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:38,880
everything that you would need

1622
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:42,000
a lot of deer kills are found with the

1623
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:43,440
legs broken

1624
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:47,279
and twisted and uh if anyone's familiar

1625
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,560
with hunting

1626
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:51,000
uh broken bones and things of that

1627
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,719
nature uh can spoil the meat

1628
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:56,400
um so that might be another reason that

1629
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,460
they kind of stay away from you know the

1630
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,679
muscle tissue and things like that in

1631
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:04,080
certain situations

1632
01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:06,120
um but again

1633
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:09,179
all speculation and Theory

1634
01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:11,819
uh Tim right here Tim so Tim Tim used to

1635
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:14,460
heal Matt love your podcast what has

1636
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:16,199
been your biggest challenge with running

1637
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,699
the podcast

1638
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:19,679
oh geez

1639
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,980
uh my biggest challenge is he told me

1640
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:24,900
the other day

1641
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:31,610
it's tough to find an experience or like

1642
01:09:39,229 --> 01:09:34,799
every week it is it

1643
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,239
I don't have a team helping me uh

1644
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:41,460
it would be great if I did but it's just

1645
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:42,359
me

1646
01:09:53,809 --> 01:09:52,020
week it's hard to find people that

1647
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:53,819
aren't just making the rounds on all the

1648
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:56,160
other podcasts

1649
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:56,699
um

1650
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:00,239
I could go the route of having guests on

1651
01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:03,000
like Dr Meldrum you know and different

1652
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,179
researchers and stuff like that uh but

1653
01:10:09,169 --> 01:10:07,679
honestly I've been around for so long

1654
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:09,179
you know I've talked to all those people

1655
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,340
and they do go on all the different

1656
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:13,920
podcasts already they go to all the

1657
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,800
conferences and I like to give people

1658
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,140
without a voice a chance to have a voice

1659
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:21,840
to put in their opinions to you know get

1660
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:24,060
their stories out there

1661
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:29,219
um and sometimes I focus on people who

1662
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:31,140
have been on other shows but I think

1663
01:10:35,209 --> 01:10:32,760
that their stories are really important

1664
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,219
I think people need to listen to them

1665
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,159
again I think you know sometimes I

1666
01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:40,080
haven't ran across where they've been

1667
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:41,820
asked certain questions that I want to

1668
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,860
ask them so I want to have them on my

1669
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:45,360
show just so I can ask them certain

1670
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:49,260
questions and see how they answer uh

1671
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:53,460
and I want to help people listening

1672
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:55,739
people that have had experiences that

1673
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,300
think you know like

1674
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,000
am I crazy did I really experience that

1675
01:11:03,950 --> 01:11:02,159
uh has anybody else experienced

1676
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,960
something like this or people you know

1677
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:06,300
you know I tried to tell my family and

1678
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:08,280
they just laughed at me I don't have

1679
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,440
anywhere to turn and maybe they'll never

1680
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:12,719
come on a show maybe they'll never fill

1681
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:15,540
out a citing report but I want to have

1682
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,460
that opportunity to just maybe they're

1683
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:18,960
going to listen to somebody else tell

1684
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:21,000
their story and it's going to make them

1685
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,140
feel a little bit better about

1686
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,000
themselves

1687
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,940
Nathan people wonder why this brother is

1688
01:11:31,790 --> 01:11:29,520
already a member of cab fam already our

1689
01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:31,800
Bigfoot correspondent and Phil and

1690
01:11:38,110 --> 01:11:37,490
that's that's what we're all about right

1691
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:38,120
um

1692
01:11:41,930 --> 01:11:40,140
fostering Community a lot of people to

1693
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,940
have conversation

1694
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:44,040
um not necessarily going for

1695
01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:45,780
the folks that uh

1696
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:47,400
are making the rounds I think that's all

1697
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,080
very important just listening right

1698
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:51,600
seeing what people have to say

1699
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:53,580
um

1700
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,739
Jules has something there yeah what so

1701
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:57,120
Jules is a question here have you heard

1702
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:00,060
of accounts of Sasquatch with orbs or

1703
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:03,900
UFOs yeah I'd love to go there I have uh

1704
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:06,960
it's one of my deep fascinations

1705
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:10,020
uh trying to figure out if the two are

1706
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:11,400
connected

1707
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,739
obviously whenever you get away from the

1708
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:17,040
city lights out in the woods out in the

1709
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:18,179
country

1710
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,940
you're in areas where Bigfoot

1711
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:23,040
are usually found

1712
01:12:28,450 --> 01:12:25,380
you're also away from those lights where

1713
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:28,460
you can see the night sky a lot easier

1714
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,800
so is that all it is you just happen to

1715
01:12:37,310 --> 01:12:34,560
be experiencing two things at the same

1716
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:37,320
time that are completely unrelated

1717
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:39,659
maybe uh

1718
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:42,780
these orbs you know

1719
01:12:49,610 --> 01:12:47,219
I've never seen an orb out in the woods

1720
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,620
I've talked to a lot of people that I

1721
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:52,080
know for sure are not lying to me that

1722
01:12:57,169 --> 01:12:54,300
have seen orbs out in the woods

1723
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,179
again are these orbs connected to the

1724
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,860
Bigfoot activity

1725
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:01,440
uh even in situations I had a guest on

1726
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:04,140
my show that saw an orb and then had a

1727
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:07,739
Bigfoot experience at the same time

1728
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:10,020
was the Bigfoot drawn to the orb just

1729
01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:11,340
like you would be

1730
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:15,000
or are they actually connected somehow a

1731
01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:19,500
long time ago I heard a story about uh

1732
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:22,620
people witnessing a UFO landing in a

1733
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:24,120
field

1734
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:26,940
and orbs came out of the bottom of this

1735
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,840
UFO and the orbs grew in size and

1736
01:13:34,669 --> 01:13:32,640
morphed into Bigfoot that ran off into

1737
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:34,679
the tree line

1738
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,380
just an anecdotal story

1739
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,120
but

1740
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,000
is there something to it you know like

1741
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:44,460
is there a connection to all three of

1742
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:46,020
these things

1743
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:48,600
uh or is it just

1744
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:51,300
a Bigfoot season or glowing out in the

1745
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,060
woods and goes to see what's going on uh

1746
01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:55,920
is that a human do I need to be worried

1747
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,980
I need to go see what this is and a

1748
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,659
human happens to be there and Witnesses

1749
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:03,420
both of them at the same time I you know

1750
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:05,159
I'm

1751
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:09,960
well all I can say is for certainty yes

1752
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:12,360
orbs are being seen in areas that have

1753
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:14,940
Bigfoot activity 100 percent

1754
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,120
are they connected your guess is as good

1755
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:20,640
as anybody else's

1756
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:22,920
but credible sources and by the way that

1757
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:24,600
goes all the way back to

1758
01:14:30,649 --> 01:14:28,260
I don't know if it's 1971 or 76 with uh

1759
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:30,659
Ron Moorhead and Company out at The

1760
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:35,159
Hunting site saw multiple uh orbs in the

1761
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:37,860
woods including the light beam uh going

1762
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:39,000
through the woods if you guys remember

1763
01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:43,140
that from missing 4-1-1 and uh I believe

1764
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:45,060
Matt there are others that have seen

1765
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,540
that lightsaber looking I can't remember

1766
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:50,880
who that was going through the woods

1767
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:54,900
correct yeah I'm trying to remember who

1768
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,179
who that was

1769
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:59,280
yeah I can't remember either we'll we'll

1770
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:01,739
we'll we'll try to get to that but

1771
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:04,140
um Debs has a question

1772
01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:06,120
um are there support groups for bigfoot

1773
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:08,820
experiencers who have ontological shocks

1774
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:10,500
so we got a little EXO academianism

1775
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:14,520
right there Nathan Hale EXO and and

1776
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:16,260
Julie actually answered that question

1777
01:15:20,209 --> 01:15:18,600
that Dr Simeon Hein has a group that

1778
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:20,219
meet every other Thursday but do you

1779
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,580
know of another group of uh Matt I do

1780
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:25,440
not

1781
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:29,460
um okay I I would love to see it happen

1782
01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:32,580
um I think that is a huge part of it I

1783
01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:34,980
mean I've had so many guests on my show

1784
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:37,500
that could really benefit from a group

1785
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:42,350
um sometimes as a matter of fact there

1786
01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:45,780
was uh one guest I had on my show and

1787
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,659
and this isn't uh necessarily Bigfoot

1788
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,400
related

1789
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,320
the things that she was sharing with me

1790
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:54,480
I asked her

1791
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:55,500
um

1792
01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:59,100
have you or do you believe you've been

1793
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,320
abducted

1794
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:03,719
and she said yes

1795
01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:06,060
and at that point

1796
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:07,980
I kind of froze

1797
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:09,960
and I was just like you know I'm just

1798
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:12,900
gonna have to stop that direction of

1799
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:14,760
conversation right now it's no offense

1800
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,260
to you I'm not saying I don't believe

1801
01:16:23,330 --> 01:16:18,480
you or anything like that but like

1802
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:23,340
that's something that I have no uh way

1803
01:16:28,990 --> 01:16:26,400
of helping with you know that that calls

1804
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,000
for people that know what they're doing

1805
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:31,380
uh these people

1806
01:16:35,209 --> 01:16:33,300
regardless of if you believe their

1807
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:35,219
stories or not are going through

1808
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:37,739
something extremely emotional

1809
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:40,620
psychological traumatizing

1810
01:16:47,330 --> 01:16:43,860
and I really wish we had

1811
01:16:51,050 --> 01:16:47,340
uh people that you know professionals to

1812
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:51,060
help these people to listen to them uh

1813
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:52,860
even if they don't necessarily believe

1814
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:55,260
them just to help them with the trauma

1815
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,000
of what they've experienced and

1816
01:17:02,030 --> 01:17:00,000
encountered and having to cope with that

1817
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:02,040
uh even if they haven't shared their

1818
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,480
story sometimes I believe it can be more

1819
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,280
traumatizing for the person not to share

1820
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:07,199
their experience and have to keep it

1821
01:17:10,669 --> 01:17:08,340
bottled up

1822
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:10,679
living with that anxiety and that fear

1823
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:13,080
of what would people think if they knew

1824
01:17:17,330 --> 01:17:15,060
yeah

1825
01:17:19,010 --> 01:17:17,340
we've heard that in the UFO Community as

1826
01:17:21,530 --> 01:17:19,020
well and I want to

1827
01:17:23,689 --> 01:17:21,540
if I want to say to the audience here if

1828
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:23,699
you've had something like that a Bigfoot

1829
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,560
experience that you find traumatizing

1830
01:17:32,209 --> 01:17:27,840
you see the Twitter handle on the screen

1831
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:32,219
at a study of UAP she has a UAP medical

1832
01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:35,580
Coalition I'm pretty certain Debs has

1833
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:37,380
somebody there that you can talk to

1834
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:40,920
that's either an experiencer that's in

1835
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,140
the in the medical or psychological

1836
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:45,600
profession which Deb is

1837
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:48,540
and would be happy to speak with you if

1838
01:17:53,209 --> 01:17:50,699
you don't have somewhere to go I am

1839
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,219
positive that Deb will speak to you so

1840
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:55,679
hit her up on Twitter and we'll have her

1841
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,360
information for the UAP medical

1842
01:18:02,450 --> 01:18:00,480
Coalition in the show notes uh their

1843
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,460
website whatever their contact info

1844
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,840
it'll be in the show notes of this

1845
01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:08,209
um

1846
01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:09,900
Nathan is it your turn or my turn

1847
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:11,580
because I don't know I was going to ask

1848
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:13,620
a question uh you know we had John and

1849
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,440
and uh John Dover and Stan Milford on

1850
01:18:23,149 --> 01:18:18,719
and you know Matt you were a little bit

1851
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,159
of part of that too I think but uh the

1852
01:18:28,189 --> 01:18:26,159
the cool thing about that for me

1853
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:28,199
was the degree to which there was more

1854
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:30,120
of an official connection

1855
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,120
with uh in the investigation that they

1856
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,000
had been tasked by their superiors to

1857
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:38,640
look into this stuff and I was wondering

1858
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:40,860
in in the kind of Sasquatch Community

1859
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:43,980
you know is there there been instances

1860
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:47,699
where the or any agency has kind of

1861
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,620
gotten close to

1862
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,780
uh

1863
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,520
giving some sort of official

1864
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,440
acknowledgment that there's a there

1865
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,360
there is there any kind of

1866
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:59,280
you know historical document that

1867
01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:01,739
references this uh in any way like what

1868
01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:04,920
what are some of the stories there

1869
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:08,040
I mean you've got a couple places you

1870
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:10,620
know Washington comes to mind instantly

1871
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,659
you know they did pass a law protecting

1872
01:19:16,610 --> 01:19:14,820
these things

1873
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,620
um I believe there's a couple other

1874
01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:18,300
places around the United States that

1875
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:20,219
have similar laws

1876
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:21,780
most of it's kind of done

1877
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:24,960
tongue-in-cheek I believe even the

1878
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,640
Washington law was enacted on April

1879
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:27,840
Fool's Day

1880
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:31,080
now is that a way to do it and make it

1881
01:19:34,490 --> 01:19:32,940
look like they're not doing it you know

1882
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:34,500
who knows

1883
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:37,500
um you have uh the hair samples that I

1884
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:39,300
believe it was Peter burnson and the FBI

1885
01:19:42,530 --> 01:19:40,560
in the 70s

1886
01:19:44,689 --> 01:19:42,540
where they did look at them and

1887
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,699
everything and those documents are

1888
01:19:50,570 --> 01:19:46,560
available on the internet you know they

1889
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,580
didn't conclude anything obviously

1890
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:53,760
um I've talked to uh

1891
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,760
at least one park ranger personally

1892
01:20:04,070 --> 01:19:59,760
that you know acknowledge these things

1893
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:04,080
um existing not but not you know on an

1894
01:20:09,530 --> 01:20:06,300
official level just you know like I'll

1895
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:09,540
deny it if you ever ask but yeah

1896
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:13,980
um but as far as like any sort of

1897
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,440
uh law enforcement or government group

1898
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:19,679
just coming out and you know backing

1899
01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:22,380
Witnesses or anything like that nothing

1900
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:25,260
really comes to mind that they can't

1901
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,920
readily dismiss or deny

1902
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:30,960
mm-hmm

1903
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,940
yeah I mean I just know how much of a

1904
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:35,040
difference that makes and DJ alluded to

1905
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:37,380
this right at the beginning of the show

1906
01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:40,260
just that we've gotten

1907
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,880
numerous

1908
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:43,920
you know sort of acknowledgments to the

1909
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:48,060
reality of UFOs and UAP it's risen up to

1910
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,840
the level of Congress now and uh you

1911
01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:53,520
know it's just it's frustrating it has

1912
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:55,860
to be frustrating for those that have

1913
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:58,260
had these experiences and to just not

1914
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,400
have validation from the agencies or you

1915
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:04,320
know authorities in our society that we

1916
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:05,940
would generally look to for that kind of

1917
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:09,540
validation yeah is that is that a

1918
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:10,400
possibility

1919
01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:12,060
[Applause]

1920
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:14,640
it depends on

1921
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:17,760
what we do ourselves in the private

1922
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:22,980
sector if we go out and get video

1923
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:25,440
showing one of these things doing

1924
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:28,739
something that a human can't do if a

1925
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:30,840
truck driver smacks one

1926
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,820
you know going down a Logging Road or

1927
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:33,840
something

1928
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:35,820
uh

1929
01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:38,280
certain situations where

1930
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:41,159
a body could be presented

1931
01:21:45,169 --> 01:21:42,300
um

1932
01:21:46,810 --> 01:21:45,179
where they couldn't deny it or they

1933
01:21:49,689 --> 01:21:46,820
couldn't cover it up

1934
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:49,699
then that day would happen

1935
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:54,420
outside of that for some reason

1936
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:56,699
they've hit it this long I don't know

1937
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,100
why they would ever

1938
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,500
finally come forward and say yeah I mean

1939
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,320
with UFOs uaps

1940
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:06,719
they can't deny it anymore something's

1941
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:09,300
going on obviously something was going

1942
01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:12,420
on beforehand you know

1943
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,980
as DJ can tell you I'm sure uh by the

1944
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:18,960
time we hear about something from the

1945
01:22:23,209 --> 01:22:20,040
government

1946
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:23,219
it's been in the works for decades I was

1947
01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:24,480
just reading an article the other day

1948
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:25,980
that was talking about

1949
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:28,980
uh some drone program that they're using

1950
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:32,699
back in the 60s or 50s even uh to you

1951
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:35,159
know and we're just now getting our

1952
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,239
hands on drones in the public uh I don't

1953
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:41,280
that's really what bothers me the most

1954
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:43,620
about the UFO I'm one of those people

1955
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:46,260
who has always been interested in the

1956
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:49,980
UFO phenomenon but never had

1957
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:52,679
an open door to get involved or you know

1958
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:55,199
really talk to people about it got one

1959
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,460
now yeah but uh whenever they finally

1960
01:23:04,189 --> 01:23:01,920
came out whenever I first saw the

1961
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:04,199
article about the gimbal footage

1962
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:06,780
I was like are you kidding me this is

1963
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:09,060
actually happening I mean whenever you

1964
01:23:12,050 --> 01:23:10,140
got

1965
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:12,060
all the major news networks doing

1966
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:13,860
stories on it and they're not making a

1967
01:23:16,729 --> 01:23:14,760
joke

1968
01:23:19,490 --> 01:23:16,739
you know this is a real thing they're

1969
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,500
acknowledging it that happened and it

1970
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:22,080
blew my mind I couldn't believe it

1971
01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:24,120
and I look around

1972
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,820
and Society is just

1973
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,280
when's the new iPhone coming out you

1974
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,679
know did you get your Yeezys like they

1975
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:34,320
don't care they don't everybody always

1976
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,360
talk all those years you know well

1977
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:38,159
they're doing it for our own safety

1978
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,980
people would go nuts they would lose

1979
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:42,480
their minds if the government ever

1980
01:23:47,209 --> 01:23:44,280
acknowledged it well here they are

1981
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:47,219
nobody lost their minds

1982
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,820
um but my question is why why are they

1983
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:52,320
acknowledging it now

1984
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,380
there's got to be something we don't

1985
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,360
know there has to be

1986
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:59,280
to it to a degree because there's still

1987
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,900
a lot of people that don't believe it

1988
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:03,540
and you still haven't had it in a fit

1989
01:24:08,330 --> 01:24:05,880
you haven't had that press conference

1990
01:24:10,850 --> 01:24:08,340
that tells the entirety you know where

1991
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:10,860
it's on every Cable News Channel at the

1992
01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:14,280
same time acknowledging it and we've

1993
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:16,980
talked about this so we've basically

1994
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:19,140
talked about this in the UFO context the

1995
01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:21,540
same way Nathan just asked you what's it

1996
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,400
going to take and somebody in the chat

1997
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:24,960
asks you that as well I think it might

1998
01:24:31,790 --> 01:24:29,520
have been Tim Halloran but um uh we've

1999
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:31,800
said and I think Nathan and Debs agree

2000
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:35,880
if you have an irrefutable contact in

2001
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,940
situation where live news it's on

2002
01:24:42,169 --> 01:24:40,800
whomever your favorite cable news

2003
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:42,179
channel is because that's the only one

2004
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,739
that people are going to believe is the

2005
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:46,140
one they like or their local news in

2006
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:49,380
some cases uh that have a live feed of

2007
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:52,140
this craft and then they're gonna say

2008
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,540
okay now you we can't deny it because it

2009
01:24:59,330 --> 01:24:56,880
was on everything and I think it would

2010
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,340
take the same thing with with Bigfoot in

2011
01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:01,679
my opinion well fortunately we live in a

2012
01:25:06,530 --> 01:25:03,719
time where

2013
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:06,540
pretty much anybody on the planet

2014
01:25:13,149 --> 01:25:10,020
can go live anytime they want to if they

2015
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:13,159
know how that is something that I think

2016
01:25:19,610 --> 01:25:16,440
anybody studying any unexplained

2017
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:19,620
phenomenon should educate themselves on

2018
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:23,100
and always be able to go live at the

2019
01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:25,100
drop of a dime

2020
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:28,679
if you can go live and get it out on the

2021
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:29,699
internet

2022
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:32,400
just long enough for other people to

2023
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:33,719
snag it

2024
01:25:37,790 --> 01:25:35,640
then you don't have to worry they can't

2025
01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:37,800
shut it down there's too many people out

2026
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:40,140
there that have it you know I've watched

2027
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,060
you know there's been lots of different

2028
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:43,679
uh

2029
01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:45,960
tragedies that have happened that have

2030
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:49,020
been caught on video that have made it

2031
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:50,940
to YouTube and I've watched YouTube try

2032
01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:53,280
to shut it down I used to work for an

2033
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,140
actual News website

2034
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:57,840
so I've seen it happen

2035
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,620
and the people that already got copies

2036
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,600
of the video and Randa Reddit and 4chan

2037
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:05,040
and everywhere else with it YouTube

2038
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:06,780
couldn't keep up with them

2039
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:08,820
they did their best they you know got

2040
01:26:12,649 --> 01:26:10,860
their algorithm on it but those videos

2041
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:12,659
are still out there they still circulate

2042
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,760
you know they still exist and they can't

2043
01:26:18,770 --> 01:26:16,620
erase all of them because somebody will

2044
01:26:19,729 --> 01:26:18,780
just put a thousand more up in the next

2045
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:19,739
hour

2046
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,100
a situation like that again if you can

2047
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:25,560
get clear footage of something happening

2048
01:26:31,729 --> 01:26:28,980
that can't be hoax that a human can't do

2049
01:26:33,410 --> 01:26:31,739
and you get it on the internet in a live

2050
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:33,420
format

2051
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,780
there's nothing they could do about it

2052
01:26:41,649 --> 01:26:39,360
and and this could I mean where we could

2053
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:41,659
go with this is I mean we could get into

2054
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,400
uh that that they're able to avoid trail

2055
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:46,800
cams and people will still put out

2056
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:49,080
hundreds of trail cams sure

2057
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,420
um and and it's like I said to my

2058
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,280
colleague at work today I said

2059
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:55,380
I said we're standing in his cubicle and

2060
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:58,920
I said if I took a four foot potted pine

2061
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:01,980
tree and put it in your cubicle and you

2062
01:27:06,530 --> 01:27:04,679
came back from lunch would you notice it

2063
01:27:08,209 --> 01:27:06,540
that it's there

2064
01:27:10,510 --> 01:27:08,219
of course you would

2065
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:10,520
and so when dudes are out in the woods

2066
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:15,480
taking Forest you know like 1990s

2067
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,900
green army camo

2068
01:27:23,629 --> 01:27:20,880
like the rain poncho and wrapping up

2069
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:23,639
their deer blind in it

2070
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:25,920
um and thinking that okay this is where

2071
01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:28,560
I'm gonna lay and wait for bigfoot like

2072
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:30,300
I feel like they're gonna see that a

2073
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,800
mile away they're gonna know this

2074
01:27:37,010 --> 01:27:34,320
doesn't belong here this is a synthetic

2075
01:27:39,470 --> 01:27:37,020
thing and the trail cam is and I think

2076
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,480
that's why they're so successful have

2077
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:41,520
you ever been camping

2078
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:43,139
have I yes

2079
01:27:48,050 --> 01:27:46,020
out in nature at night

2080
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,060
when it gets quiet

2081
01:27:53,209 --> 01:27:50,880
and you can hear that car on the highway

2082
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:53,219
about six miles away

2083
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:55,320
you think they can't hear you pull up

2084
01:28:01,070 --> 01:27:58,020
before you ever even get there

2085
01:28:04,129 --> 01:28:01,080
they don't even you know yes I agree 100

2086
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:04,139
you know absolutely that that green

2087
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,320
camouflage you know your militia outfit

2088
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,380
is going to stand out like a neon light

2089
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,000
in the woods to them

2090
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:14,880
but they already heard your truck coming

2091
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,760
down the road six miles ago and hauled

2092
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:20,639
ass yeah they've already positioned

2093
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:22,860
themselves strategically in a place

2094
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:25,080
where they can watch you pull up

2095
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:27,239
and you don't even know they're there

2096
01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:29,400
they're gonna see you way before you're

2097
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:35,890
and we're going to get to that Matt

2098
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,480
about how they're able to make you hear

2099
01:28:43,970 --> 01:28:42,239
them to scare you when they're

2100
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:43,980
approaching when they want to scare you

2101
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,620
away from that campsite and how they can

2102
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,199
creep up to that campsite and you not

2103
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:51,600
hear them because it defies physics but

2104
01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:53,820
before I get to that I'm going to want

2105
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:55,560
to get to the lbl a little bit and just

2106
01:28:59,450 --> 01:28:57,300
get your take on that but before I do

2107
01:29:02,350 --> 01:28:59,460
that I want to get to Alex midnight

2108
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:02,360
Walker our friend from North Georgia

2109
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:05,120
Nathan shout out

2110
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,820
who is able to apparently he's

2111
01:29:15,169 --> 01:29:11,840
communicated in Spanish

2112
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,179
and he has documented some of their

2113
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:17,400
words that he believes he knows what

2114
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:20,639
some of the words that they use mean

2115
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:21,420
um

2116
01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:23,820
and that he he's going out in the woods

2117
01:29:29,209 --> 01:29:27,060
playing guitar and by the way Nathan my

2118
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:29,219
brother is going out to these areas

2119
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:34,920
alone and yes yes sir so give us your T

2120
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:37,980
give the audience uh something some some

2121
01:29:42,649 --> 01:29:40,620
info on uh Alex midnight Walker and your

2122
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:42,659
take please

2123
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:46,380
again I don't know the guy personally uh

2124
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:49,199
he's been around for a very long time

2125
01:29:57,610 --> 01:29:53,840
I found the Spanish aspect interesting

2126
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:57,620
uh solely based on

2127
01:30:03,890 --> 01:30:01,920
a woman who is a member of the Wichita

2128
01:30:06,410 --> 01:30:03,900
Tribe here in Oklahoma

2129
01:30:09,709 --> 01:30:06,420
uh once told me

2130
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:09,719
that they speak whatever language

2131
01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:13,679
the people of that area speak

2132
01:30:17,950 --> 01:30:15,719
okay now

2133
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:17,960
how would the Bigfoot learn the language

2134
01:30:22,930 --> 01:30:20,639
that's what I want to know

2135
01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:22,940
language has to be taught

2136
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:28,260
uh learned by uh being encompassed in it

2137
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:30,360
on a daily basis

2138
01:30:35,149 --> 01:30:32,219
you know you can obviously pick up a

2139
01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:35,159
language that way but otherwise if I

2140
01:30:40,430 --> 01:30:36,600
want to learn

2141
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:40,440
Spanish I have to take Spanish it has to

2142
01:30:46,610 --> 01:30:43,980
be taught to me so how would a Bigfoot

2143
01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:46,620
know Spanish

2144
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,120
unless

2145
01:30:53,629 --> 01:30:49,920
there's something more going on

2146
01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:53,639
involving psychic phenomenon

2147
01:31:02,450 --> 01:30:57,000
and if that's the case

2148
01:31:05,870 --> 01:31:04,729
it you know it still could be Rosetta

2149
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,880
Stone you don't know that they don't

2150
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:07,199
have a subscription

2151
01:31:16,330 --> 01:31:12,480
so okay okay that's fair that's fair

2152
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:16,340
or Babel on their smart device anyway

2153
01:31:22,450 --> 01:31:19,620
I'm sorry all right

2154
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:22,460
um all right so yeah

2155
01:31:28,129 --> 01:31:25,860
Nathan all right so Matt we've you know

2156
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,139
what like because yeah I could just I

2157
01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:30,719
could just keep going so I think we just

2158
01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:33,420
gotta have you back for a part two so we

2159
01:31:37,729 --> 01:31:34,980
can get through the rest of the stuff

2160
01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:37,739
Matt is is that okay with you what's

2161
01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:41,699
yours man anytime okay that's awesome I

2162
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:42,780
mean there are a lot of shows we do

2163
01:31:46,250 --> 01:31:44,520
where an hour and a half goes by and

2164
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:46,260
we're like hey we could do another hour

2165
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:49,440
and a half oh yeah just easily uh so

2166
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:51,120
it's it's Matt's it's been a real

2167
01:31:54,110 --> 01:31:52,620
pleasure not just chatting with you

2168
01:31:56,930 --> 01:31:54,120
tonight but getting to know a little bit

2169
01:31:58,850 --> 01:31:56,940
over the last uh several weeks uh you've

2170
01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:58,860
been gracious enough with your time to

2171
01:32:02,810 --> 01:32:00,840
be a part of our show in various ways

2172
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:02,820
and uh we look forward to that

2173
01:32:08,030 --> 01:32:05,520
partnership continuing to grow

2174
01:32:10,129 --> 01:32:08,040
um it's fascinating stuff I mean I think

2175
01:32:12,410 --> 01:32:10,139
I was into Bigfoot stuff before I was

2176
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:12,420
into UFOs and then I kind of it just

2177
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:16,380
sort of faded off into a into my mind I

2178
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:18,000
didn't think about it much anymore and

2179
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:20,040
until recently and and I knew someone

2180
01:32:25,970 --> 01:32:24,239
who uh had a UFO experience who had UFO

2181
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:25,980
experiences but also had difficult

2182
01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:29,100
experiences and uh that really kind of

2183
01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:31,860
sparked my interest and I think also

2184
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:33,420
speaks to the fact that some of the

2185
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:35,100
things that we've talked about earlier

2186
01:32:39,709 --> 01:32:37,560
that for folks who've had strange

2187
01:32:41,689 --> 01:32:39,719
experiences and they've already made

2188
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:41,699
some of those known they may not want to

2189
01:32:47,930 --> 01:32:44,159
make all of them known because the

2190
01:32:49,729 --> 01:32:47,940
stigma right uh so it's uh it's it's

2191
01:32:52,610 --> 01:32:49,739
tough and I really admire the work that

2192
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:52,620
you're doing and and having a place for

2193
01:32:55,729 --> 01:32:53,940
folks to tell their stories it's it's

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01:32:58,490 --> 01:32:55,739
really important and Powerful

2195
01:32:59,930 --> 01:32:58,500
yeah I think we should quit you know you

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01:33:03,649 --> 01:32:59,940
know like I started out saying at the

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01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,659
very beginning uh how we have to put

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01:33:07,970 --> 01:33:05,520
things into different groups to make it

2199
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:07,980
make sense for us I think we got to stop

2200
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:12,060
doing that you know uh people who are

2201
01:33:15,709 --> 01:33:14,460
having experiences regardless of what it

2202
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:15,719
is

2203
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,060
they're still people and they're still

2204
01:33:23,149 --> 01:33:19,920
having the same emotions and the same

2205
01:33:26,510 --> 01:33:23,159
trauma and you know all the same issues

2206
01:33:29,709 --> 01:33:26,520
so you know the the UFO group The UAP

2207
01:33:32,350 --> 01:33:29,719
group of people the community absolutely

2208
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:32,360
uh the Bigfoot Community needs your help

2209
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:35,580
uh we all need each other same way with

2210
01:33:41,390 --> 01:33:38,159
the Paranormal Community it

2211
01:33:43,850 --> 01:33:41,400
it's all connected whether you want to

2212
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:43,860
believe the subject specifically are

2213
01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:45,540
connected or not

2214
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:48,179
the impact it has on people who

2215
01:33:59,570 --> 01:33:56,390
yeah um you're absolutely right and it's

2216
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:59,580
one of the things that we Endeavor to do

2217
01:34:04,129 --> 01:34:02,400
um I don't I mean as far as you know we

2218
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:04,139
didn't have this in our initial our

2219
01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:07,260
original plan of of the show and our

2220
01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:09,480
original concept but it got to that

2221
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:12,900
because Nathan sent me an episode of a

2222
01:34:17,810 --> 01:34:15,659
Bigfoot podcast and then I was like oh

2223
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:17,820
my God I just couldn't believe it you

2224
01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:19,139
know I was like wow

2225
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:22,199
So yeah thank you for thank you Tim and

2226
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:23,940
thank you for everybody that chipped in

2227
01:34:29,209 --> 01:34:26,639
uh and asked questions so I'm sorry we

2228
01:34:31,490 --> 01:34:29,219
couldn't get to them all uh we will have

2229
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,500
Matt I mean Matt is basically he's a

2230
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,120
part of cab fam he's our Bigfoot

2231
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:35,760
correspondent and he's also gonna uh

2232
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:38,580
guest co-host with us uh when he wants

2233
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:42,719
to uh and so you know you will see Matt

2234
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:44,340
on the show but I want to have him back

2235
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,100
for this style of a you know maybe even

2236
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,440
a we could do like a Fireside next time

2237
01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:51,600
if you want to do that so that what we

2238
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,420
can do with the Fireside Matt uh the uh

2239
01:34:57,890 --> 01:34:56,159
the fireside chat and you'll see like a

2240
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,900
little fireplace in the background that

2241
01:35:02,450 --> 01:35:00,000
Nathan creates but what it'll be is

2242
01:35:04,729 --> 01:35:02,460
we'll all kick around topics we'll we'll

2243
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,739
pick one you'll bring a topic I'll bring

2244
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:07,199
a topic Nathan will bring a topic uh

2245
01:35:11,629 --> 01:35:09,600
Debs whomever uh Leah and then it'll

2246
01:35:14,030 --> 01:35:11,639
just kind of everyone will go around the

2247
01:35:17,149 --> 01:35:14,040
table so we could do that in in addition

2248
01:35:18,649 --> 01:35:17,159
to an interview with you yeah uh Nathan

2249
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:18,659
has to promise to bring marshmallows

2250
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:22,679
next time you got it man you got it yeah

2251
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:25,080
it's an honor to have you on Matt but

2252
01:35:30,770 --> 01:35:27,900
it's even more uh of an honor to call

2253
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,780
you friend and to have you collaborate

2254
01:35:36,590 --> 01:35:33,840
uh with us on cab so thank you very much

2255
01:35:40,850 --> 01:35:36,600
Matt uh the Honor's all mine man I I've

2256
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:40,860
been so so happy to have you know met

2257
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,260
you and become friends with you and you

2258
01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:44,719
know you're introducing me to this

2259
01:35:51,410 --> 01:35:48,420
wonderful group of people uh a Wonderful

2260
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:51,420
World you know like you said well you've

2261
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:55,080
opened that UFO door for me finally but

2262
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,139
uh you know this sort of networking and

2263
01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,000
relationships is what I've always wanted

2264
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:02,280
to build and uh because of you it's

2265
01:36:09,649 --> 01:36:07,370
awesome brother we will get you you you

2266
01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:09,659
you've got to just tell us what guests

2267
01:36:14,330 --> 01:36:11,460
that you want that you've heard of and

2268
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:14,340
we will endeavor Nathan and I and Deb uh

2269
01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:16,380
and believe me every one of these guys

2270
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:19,020
can get guests like uh nobody's business

2271
01:36:24,830 --> 01:36:21,120
and we will endeavor to get you that

2272
01:36:28,610 --> 01:36:24,840
person so uh for uh Matt Knapp the the

2273
01:36:32,990 --> 01:36:28,620
Bigfoot Outlaw my brother the badass uh

2274
01:36:36,530 --> 01:36:33,000
for money Nathan for Debs for Leah Prime

2275
01:36:38,689 --> 01:36:36,540
Time and for the jewels of the wood this

2276
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,699
is DJ saying peace out

2277
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,040
One Love

2278
01:36:46,460 --> 01:36:43,440
we'll see you down the road we always